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WILLIIAM & CHARLOTTES SON JOSEPH TREE 3

 

THE LIFE AND INFORMATION GAINED ON GRT-GRANDFATHER JOSEPH & GRT GRANDMOTHER  MARGARET IS LIMITED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. JOSEPH DID NOT HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL LIFE.

 

MY OWN GRANDFATHER HIS SON WILLIAM LEFT THE AREA TO MOVE TO PORTSMOUTH IN 1908.

HIS SON FREDERICK JOSEPH WHICH WAS MY FATHER NEVER REALLY KNEW HIS GRANDDAD JOSEPH AS HE WAS ONLY ABOUT TWO YEARS OF AGE WHEN THEY MOVED FROM JERVIS BROOK.

GRT- GRANDFATHER JOSEPH ENDED HIS DAYS AT UCKFIELD WORK-HOUSE.

GRT-GRAND FATHER JOSEPH HARMAN WAS THE SECOND SON MY GRT-GRT GRAND PARENTS WILLIAM & CHARLOTTE HARMAN.

 

 JOSEPH WAS BORN ON THE 27th JUNE 1846 AT STONECROSS NEAR ROTHERFIELD. HE WAS CHRISTENED WITH ON 4 Jan 1852 AT ST: DENYS WITH SOME OF HIS OTHER BROTHER & SISTERS. THIS FOUR YEARS AFTER HE WAS BORN.

 

JOSEPH AT THE AGE OF 6 HIS PARENTS WILLIAM & CHARLOTTE MOVED TO FROGS HOLE AT ROTHERFIELD, AND AT FROGSHOLE ALSO LIVED ALL HIS FATHER'S SOME BROTHER'S WITH THEIR WIVES AND FAMILIES

JOSEPH WAS TO LIVE AT FROGS HOLE WITH MANY HIS UNCLES & AUNTIE'S  , AND WITH MANY COUSINS UP TO THE AGE OF ABOUT 20. IN THAT TIME HE HAD A YOUNGER SISTER BORN IN 1854 TO HIS PARENTS NAMED HARRIET AND WHO WAS NEARLY EIGHT YEARS YOUNGER, THAN JOSEPH.

 

HIS BROTHER WILLIAM WAS BORN IN 1856 TEN YEARS YOUNGER THAN JOSEPH AND WAS THE BABY OF THE FAMILY.

IN THE YEAR 1866 WITH THE GROWTH OF THE FAMILIES OF THE HARMAN'S AT FROGS HOLE HIS PARENTS WILLIAM & CHARLOTTE  AFTER TWENTY YEARS AT FROGSHOLE MOVED TO STONECROSS, WHERE THEY HAD LIVED PREVIOUSLY IN 1846.

STONECROSS WHERE JOSEPH & HERBERT HIS OLDER BROTHER WERE  BORN.

 

ALL THEIR OTHER BROTHER & SISTER'S WERE BORN, AT FROGS HOLE ROTHERFIELD.

 

BUT IN THE YEAR 1867 WILLIAM & CHARLOTTE WERE AT STONE CROSS FOR ON THE 29th SEPTEMBER MY GREAT- GRANDFATHER JOSEPH MARRIED MY GREAT- GRANDMOTHER MARGARET TURNER WHO WAS ALSO LIVING AT STONE CROSS.

JOSEPH WAS 21 AND MARGARET 18,EUNICE ANN HARMAN HIS SISTER WAS ONE OF THE

WITNESS'S WITH MARGARET'S FATHER EDWARD TURNER THE OTHER.

JOSEPH TRADE IS GIVEN AS A BRICKLAYER, AND BOTH MARGARET & JOSEPH LIVED AT STONECROSS PRIOR TO THE MARRIAGE.

 

AFTER THE MARRIAGE THEY MOVED TO COLD HARBOUR AT CROWBOROUGH, AND ON THE 21ST OF MARCH 1870 THEY HAD A BABY GIRL WHO JOSEPH NAMED AFTER HIS SISTER JULIA

 

IN THE CENSUS OF 1871 MARGARET IS CALLED ABIGAIL AND I AM INCLINED TO BELIEVE THIS WAS HER SECOND CHRISTIAN NAME, AND IT IS HERE THAT THEY WERE NOW LIVING IN THE YEAR OF THE CENSUS.

 

IN 1871 A BABY BOY WAS BORN TO GREAT- GRAND PARENT'S JOSEPH & MARGARET. THIS BABY BOY WAS TO BE MY GRANDFATHER WILLIAM, EDWARD. HE BEING NAMED AFTER HIS GRANDFATHER WILLIAM HARMAN. & EDWARD AFTER MARGARET’S FATHER EDWARD TURNER.

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IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR JOSEPH’S YOUNGER SISTER HARRIET AT THE AGE OF 18 MARRIED A JOHN WALTERS THE SON RICHARD WALTERS A FARMER.

 

 JOHN BEING A LABOURER AND AGE 28.  HARRIET'S ELDER SISTER JULIA WAS ONE OF THE WITNESS'S AT THE WEDDING. THE MARRIAGE TOOK PLACE ON 20TH APRIL 1872. ST:DENY’S ROTHERFIELD.

 

ON THE 18TH OF OCTOBER 1873 JULIA HARMAN MARRIED THE JOHN’S BROTHER STEPHEN WALTERS ALSO A LABOURER. STEPHEN WAS AGED 30 & JULIA AGED 23.  WITH HER SISTER NOW   HARRIET WALTERS (NEE) HARMAN) BEING WITNESS AT THE WEDDING.

 

HARRIET & JOHN WALTERS HAD TWO CHILDREN, GIRLS ROSE & ELIZA- ANNIE.

FOR MOST OF THEIR LIFE  AT ALDERBROOK FARM. CROWBOROUGH.

 

JULIA & STEPHEN WALTERS HAD A FARM'S AT HADLOW DOWN, WERE THEY HAD 11 CHILDREN THESE FARMS WHICH WERE KNOWN AS WASTE FARM, & HOLE FARM.

 

ONE OF STEPHEN & JULIA'S WALTERS CHILDREN I MET DURING MY FIELD RESEARCH INTO THE FAMILY HISTORY, WHO WAS STILL ALIVE IN 1988.WAS STEPHEN & JULIA'S DAUGHTER. JULIA-LILY COUSIN TO MY GRANDFATHER WILLIAM EDWARD.

 

JULIA-LILY  WALTERS WAS BORN IN 1891 AND WAS THERE-FORE AGED 97 WHEN I MET HER.

SHE TALKED ABOUT HER UNCLE JOE . THIS BEING MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER JOSEPH.

 

 SHE STATED THAT HER MOTHER. JULIA SAID THAT HER BROTHER JOSEPH HAD  DRANK AWAY A ROW OF HOUSE'S LEFT TO HIM BY HIS FATHER WILLIAM.

THIS BEING MY  GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER WILLIAM.

 

JOSEPH'S BROTHER HERBERT WAS DEACON OF THE STAR VOSS CHAPEL, AND A SUCCESSFUL  BUILDER. SO PROBABLY WOULD HAVE VIEWED GREAT-GRANDDAD'S JOSEPH'S DRINKING WITH HORROR IN FACT ERNEST EDWARD HARMAN (TED ) HIS GRANDSON SAID THAT THEY HAD VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH JOSEPH.

 

IN THE YEAR 1881 JOSEPH & MARGARET FAMILY INCREASED WITH THE BIRTH ABIGAIL BORN 1872,ELIZABETH ON NOV lOth,1874, WITH A SON OWEN BORN ON 3rd June 1874 CHARLOTTE ON 7th OF DEC:1878 AND LASTLY ALICE BORN 1881 ON THE 25th OCT:

PROBABLY ALICE BEING BORN IN THE OCTOBER THE CENSUS FOR 1881 WAS IN THE APRIL OF THAT YEAR SO SHE DID NOT APPEAR ON THE CENSUS FORM FOR 1881.

 

IN THAT YEAR 1881 GREAT-GREAT GRAND FATHER & GRANDMOTHER, WILLIAM AND CHARLOTTE WERE LIVING AT STONE-CROSS.

 

JOSEPH'S YOUNGER BROTHER WILLIAM THE YOUNGEST SON OF WILLIAM & CHARLOTTE HAD MARRIED IN THE YEAR 1879. THOUGH THE ACTUAL DATE OF MARRIAGE IS NOT KNOWN.

 

WHAT WE DO KNOW HE MARRIED THE DAUGHTER OF FREDERICK, JOHN. & ANNA NOVICE THE INNKEEPERS OF THE BRICKLAYERS ARMS, WHITE HILL

. WILLIAM HIS YOUNGER BROTHER ALSO WAS A HEAVY DRINKER. IN 1881 WILLIAM & MARY-ANN WERE ALSO LIVING AT COLDHARBOUR.

 

MY GREAT GRANDFATHER & GRANDMOTHER, JOSEPH & MARGARET HAD MOVED TO JERVIS BROOK THIS A SMALL HAMLET ABOUT 15 MINUETS WALK INTO ROTHERFIELD.

 

THE COTTAGE THAT THEY LIVED WAS CALLED FORGE COTTAGE, AND MY GRANDFATHER WILLIAM EDWARD WAS ALSO TO LIVE AT JERVIS BROOK WHEN HE MARRIED, AND MY FATHER BEING BORN THERE AT No 2  FERNDALE TERRACE, WESTERN ROAD, JARVIS BROOK, ROTHERFIELD.

 

BY 1889 JOSEPH & MARGARET'S FAMILY HAD GROWN. THEY HAD EIGHT CHILDREN. JULIA BORN 1870,- MY GRAND FATHER WILLIAM EDWARD 1871 - ABIGAIL 1872 - ELIZABETH 1874, - THEN OWEN 1877 - CHARLOTTE 1878 - ALICE BRIDGET 1881 AND LASTLY DORA MARGARET 1889.

 

THE FOLLOWING YEAR  JOSEPH & MARGARET'S DAUGHTER JULIE MARRIED GEORGE BARNES IN 1890 , THE NEXT YEAR CHARLOTTE MARRIED FRANK CHEWTER THE YEAR 1899.

TWO YEARS LATER IN 1901 ALICE BRIDGET MARRIED GEORGE FRY & OWEN MARRIED IN 1904 TO CHARLOTTE ANN BRINN.

EUNICE ANN, GREAT-GRANDFATHER JOSEPHS SISTER WHO HAD MARRIED HENRY NEVILLE A WIDOWER ON JULY 1st 1877 ALSO LIVED AT JERVIS BROOK WHERE HER HUSBAND FARMED.

 

ALSO LIVING AT JERVIS BROOK WAS DAVID HARMAN AND HIS WIFE ELLEN HE BEING THE SON OF JAMES & MARY ANN. HARMAN.

DAVID & JOSEPH BEING COUSIN'S  WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY CLOSE AS THEY HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEIR PARENTS OVER TWENTY YEARS WHEN THEY HAD ALL LIVED AT FROGSHOLE.

 

THE COUSIN'S WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A GOOD INFLUENCE TO LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ONE ANOTHER, AS BY RESEARCH DAVID WAS AS BIG A DRINKER AS MY GREAT-GRANDDAD JOSEPH.

THIS INFORMATION WAS OBTAINED BY MARY HARMAN WHO MARRIED PERCY A GRANDSON OF DAVID & ELLEN HARMAN

MOST OF WHAT MARY HARMAN TOLD ME WAS OBTAINED FROM PERCY’S  FATHER . ALAN STEWART HARMAN SON OF DAVID & ELLEN HARMAN

ALAN STEWART HARMAN. WHO LIVED WITH HIS SON PERCY & WIFE MARY AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS WIFE MINNIE.

 

DAVID & ELLEN HAD FIFTEEN CHILDREN. BUT NOT MANY SURVIVED TO ADULT HOOD.

ALAN STEWART HARMAN WOULD RUN AWAY FROM HOME FROM TIME TO TIME  AND THIS WOULD ALWAYS TO THE SAME AREA, WHICH WAS A FARM NEAR BLACKBOYS SAID MARY.

 

I AM AN INCLINED TO  BELIEVE THAT HE WENT TO HADLOW DOWN TO STEPHEN & JULIE'S  WASTE FARM. WHICH IS ADJACENT TO BLACKBOYS.(EDITOR F.W.W. HARMAN)

 

FUNNILY ENOUGH MARY ONLY LIVED FOUR DOORS AWAY FROM TED HARMAN , SON OF ESLI & MINNIE  HARMAN (NEE) HOATH) BUT SHE DIDN'T KNOW AND NEITHER DID TED, THAT SHE WAS RELATED TO HIM, BY HER MARRIAGE TO PERCY HARMAN.

 

.(SEE JAMES & MARY ANN (NEE) BREEDEN FOR MORE INFORMATION OF FAMILY'S AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

 

HOWEVER IN THE CENSUS'S 1881 AND 1891 I AM AWARE OF THE FOLLOWING. THAT OF THE FOUR BROTHERS OF GREAT- GREAT- GRANDFATHER WILLIAM THREE HAD DIED. HIS BROTHER'S  THOMAS IN 1866 AT THE AGE OF 43 HIS WIFE ANN DIED AT THE AGE OF 78 IN 1898 AND WAS BURIED WITH THOMAS IN ST. DENY'S CHURCH WHERE THERE   IS MONUMENT ; STONE THAT STILL STANDS. ON THE LOSS OF THOMAS, HIS WIFE REMAINED A WIDOW AND LIVED AT COTTAGE HILL, WHERE HER SISTER RHODA & JOHN HARMAN ALSO LIVED.

 

IN MAY 1891 JAMES THE ELDEST BROTHER AND NAMED AFTER HIS FATHER MY GREAT-GREAT-GREAT GRANDFATHER JAMES DIED AT THE AGE OF 75. HE ALSO WAS LIVING AT FERNDALE COTTAGE'S AT JERVIS BROOK.

HIS WIFE MARY-ANN (NEE BREEDEN) MUST HAVE PROCEEDED HIM, AS THERE WAS NO MENTION OF HER IN HIS WILL BUT HER DATE OF DEATH IS UNKNOWN.

 

THE EXECUTORS OF THE ESTATE WHERE HIS BROTHER JOHN, AND JOHNS SON, FRANK LIVING AT COTTAGE HILL

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THE PREVIOUS YEAR WAS THE DEATH  JOSEPH'S MOTHER  CHARLOTTE HARMAN (NEE) MOON. ON JULY THE 28TH AT THE AGE OF 76 AND WAS BURIED AT ALL SAINTS CHURCH AT JERVIS BROOK.

 

BY THIS TIME ALL WILLIAM & CHARLOTTE'S CHILDREN WERE MARRIED AND SETTLED DOWN. THE GIRLS HAVING MARRIED FARMERS.

 

 GRANDDAD JOSEPH WAS NOT AS SUCCESSFUL AS HIS TWO OTHER BROTHERS HERBERT & WILLIAM. PROMINENT BUILDERS.

 

ALICE BRIDGET MY GRANDFATHER JOSEPH'S DAUGHTER WHO MARRIED GEORGE FRY LIVED AT BURWASH COMMON.

 

IT IS THERE THAT I MET THEIR SON GEORGE HAROLD FRY  AND HIS WIFE MABEL(NEE) HOBDEN.

 

GEORGE HAROLD FRY WAS MY FATHER'S COUSIN, AND WHOM I MET AT VICARAGE LANE BURWASH COMMON.

 

GEORGE HAROLD FRY WIFE MABEL HOBDEN WAS BORN AT, UNITY COTTAGE'S, JERVIS BROOK..

 MABEL SAID HER FATHER WAS IN BUSINESS WITH OWEN HARMAN GRANDDAD WILLIAMS BROTHER, WHO ALSO LIVED IN THE UNITY COTTAGE'S AT WESTERN ROAD JERVIS BROOK.

 

OWEN WAS UNCLE TO GEORGE HAROLD FRY. GEORGE HAROLD ALSO REMEMBERED MY GRANDFATHER WILLIAM WHO WOULD VISIT HIS SISTER ALICE & HER HUSBAND GEORGE FRY.

HE SAID HIS UNCLE BILL WORKED IN THE DOCKYARD PORTSMOUTH. THIS INFORMATION WAS NEW'S TO ME AS I THOUGHT THAT WHEN MY GRANDFATHER LEFT ROTHERFIELD HE HAD NEVER RETURNED.

 

OBVIOUSLY HE DID VISIT FROM TIME TO TIME.

  

GEORGE HAROLD ALSO REMEMBERED HIS GRANDFATHER JOSEPH HARMAN VISITING AT THE WEEK ENDS FOR SUNDAY DINNER. THEY WOULD PRETEND TO FIGHT OVER BAKED POTATOES LEFT OVER AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME GRANDFATHER JOSEPH WAS IN THE UCKFIELD WORKHOUSE.

 

GEORGE SAID HE RECEIVED 10/- SHILLINGS PER WEEK.

HE ALSO SAID THAT AFTER SUNDAY DINNER HIS GRANDFATHER WOULD SIT IN THE ARM CHAIR, AND WHAT GEORGE SPECIFICALLY REMEMBERED WAS THE HABIT HE HAD OF TWIDDLING HIS THUMBS. MY OWN FATHER WHO NEVER REALLY SAW HIS GRANDFATHER JOSEPH ALSO HAD THIS HABIT AND FUNNILY ENOUGH SO DO I.

GEORGE HAD NO INFORMATION OF HIS GRANDMOTHER MARGARET HARMAN,  OR WHEN SHE DIED.

GREAT GRAND MOTHER I HAVE SINCE FOUND OUT DIED IN 1901 & WAS BURIED 14th SEP 1901.

 

MY GREAT GRANDFATHER JOSEPH LIVED FOR A FURTHER 19 YEARS DIED IN UCKFIELD WORKHOUSE JOSEPH IN 1922 AT THE AGE OF 76.

 

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